Tuesday, January 5, 2010

Re-Defining Marriage?

What is marriage anyway?  It seems this question above any other ought to be explored these days.  In the last week i've seen no less than three articles in the local paper and have heard even more relative to the upcoming Health Care Bill discussions speaking to the status of marriage in the United States, more states expanding marriage to gay and lesbian couples (Washington D.C. being the latest) and other related topics.  Following are my thoughts on the subject for what they are worth:

First off, my starting point is similar to the one I presented in the last post on abortion, namely if marriage is just the joining of two entities who desire to enter into the state recognized union then by all means let there be no bounds on which two entities go through the process and call themselves married.  I don't intend to be crass or jocular at all in saying this, but if we continue down the road we are on I really don't think it will be that long until there is an outcry because a person cannot be married to their pet.  And why not?  If marriage is just the union of two entities who are dedicated to one another and who desire to live in the same home in a caring relationship then why should that not cover the situation I just described?  There are many who care deeply for their pets and in some situations the pet is very much loved and real caring relationship exists.

Re-defining marriage is only a problem if marriage was originally ordained by God as the Bible describes.  In other words, if man decides what constitutes marriage then it will always be in a state of flux.  As moods and conditions change, marriage as defined by the culture's ever changing attitudes must change as well.  However, if the Bible is true and the Biblical definition of marriage is true, then regardless of how culture changes marriage cannot change.  Why is that?  Why do Christians get so upset when gays and lesbians protest so vehemently to be included in marriage?

The answer is really quite simple.  God established marriage between a man and a woman as a picture, elsewhere described in the Bible as between Jesus and the Church, and also as a reflection of the very nature of God in the Trinity.  How so?  God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit have existed in the Trinity from eternity in a perfect relationship of community.  When God decided to create man, He said it was not good that man be alone and gave him a helpmeet, a partner of his own body to exist with in a relationship, namely woman (taken from man).  The man and the woman come together in an intimate way and the Holy Spirit then participates to knit the new life together in the mother's womb.  There is no other union where this particular arrangement, which was so beautifully orchestrated, can take place.  This is why there is no place in Scripture where homosexual relations are anything but condemned.  It is not that feelings are not present, or the desire to be intimate is not present, it is that any relationship other than that established by God does not reflect the glory of the relationship in the Trinity.  It does not bring glory to God, and therefore is a perversion of the natural, and should be condemned in any time and in any situation.

As to the sexual preferences of individuals the same sort of closer look is needed.  Desires and feelings for things other than those prescribed by God are real.  They are just as real as the desire to lie, to cheat, to steal, to dishonor parents.  As believers, we must acknowledge that the standard is the same for all sin, it is all deplorable for the same reason: we were created to bring glory to God, when we break His law whether in word, in thought, or in deed we fail to do as we were intended and are in need of forgiveness.  Faithfulness here I believe is the key.  We must either be faithful to God in being single, or be faithful to God in being married as God established.  In this point the Christian has done much damage over the years by not holding up the lifelong commitment and cheapened the covenant of marriage itself.  Just think, is it possible for the Trinity to be seperated?  That is exactly what divorce implies, that God can be seperated and eternal covenants can be broken.  The limitations of humankind, the fall of man and the subsequent provisions for divorce are not being discussed here, but the point remains that as Christians we must hold up our end of the bargain and not say on the one hand that marriage is a covenant relationship established by God and then run to divorce.  In "The Loving Opposition", Stanton L. Jones puts it this way, "Outside of the marriage of a man and woman, the proper use of sex is to honor God by costly obedience in living a chaste life...And so, the Christian vision for sexuality and marriage is our foundational reason for rejecting homosexual action as a legitimate moral option."

For the Christian, essence preceeds existance.  By that I mean that who we are should define what we do.  God created us to bring Him glory through being obedient to His Word, living our lives for Him in whatever circumstance or situation we are in, in short to use the free will with which we were created to actively pursue righteousness.  This is why marriage is such an important issue for believers, why homosexuality is similar to all other sin, it is attempting to revise or redefine our very essence, who we are, what we were created to be.

This is a tough issue and I hope this post has been presented in a way that lovingly but sternly addresses the issue from a Biblical point of view.  Quite simply, if the Bible is true then marriage is only defined and only legitimate if the arrangement is in accordance with the Word.  If marriage is defined by majority decision, or cultural climate, or poll data, or popular opinion then it can be anything and everything.  For my part, I believe even the idea that marriage can be re-defined is to believe a lie.  Marriage was established by God and will always be just as He originally gave it.  What contemporary culture chooses to call marriage, is not marriage re-defined, it is not marriage at all.

9 comments:

  1. Hi Jeremy... do you want to start a new thread to discuss you issues?

    Keep in mind that I'm not a biologist. I might not have all the answers to your questions but I'll try my best, and point you to answers if I don't have them myself.

    Cheers.

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  2. I started reading this post and have some comments.

    Jeremy wrote: "it will be that long until there is an outcry because a person cannot be married to their pet. And why not?"

    Well the "why not?" is an easy one. There are 2 main reasons (in my mind) why this is not a realistic idea.

    1. There is not (that I know of) a significant community of people demanding this. There aren't any people (that I know of) that actually behave this way (as apposed to the gay movement which had quite a lot of people behaving that way).

    2. Marriage would always require ~consent~ by those entering into the union. Unless a pet has some way of consenting I don't see this becoming an issue.

    And then your subsequent argument seems to hang on "if the Bible is true". The problem there is that not everybody believes the bible is true (I'm one of them!), but we're all equal in the eyes of the gov't. The gov't cannot take a Christian approach to policy because that doesn't reflect the citizens as a whole (and is unconstitutional).

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  3. Thanks for the comments J_A. For the first, I most definately would like to continue the discussion we began before. I will publish a new post with a title like "Discussions on evolution" with just enough text so you'll know where it is and then we can continue. I am not a biologist either, so we can work through these issues together. Also, i'd like to commend you as you are the most intellectually honest defender of the Theory of Evolution i've met. I appreciate your views of science, and the limitations relative to 'fact', 'proof', etc. I don't think we're too far apart on many of the definitions and the evidences I think will be much the same, the conclusion to the best explanation for the evidence at hand is where we can hash it out, and which is what I look forward to.

    As for your second comment, I wasn't suggesting any time table for human-animal nuptuals. I was merely saying that how marriage is defined is important. The outcry from Christians is because they promote the Biblical definition of marriage and the entailments therein, which I tried to elucidate in the post. This goes along with your second point as well. If the government or the constitution is the definer of marriage then it is just up to those in power at the time. If that is the case, then while it is not inevitable that humans and animals could be legally wed, it is at least conceivable; i.e. it just hasn't happened yet. There hasn't been significant outcry yet.

    I realize not everyone believes that the Bible is true. The post was not in and of itself an attempt to prove the veracity of Scripture, just a synopsis of what marriage means if the Bible is true. I hope you did read through what the Biblical approach to marriage is and why it is so important to me as a believer in Jesus Christ. I don't hear this definition of marriage presented a lot and tried to be fair by challenging my brothers and sisters in the faith for our role in not living up to the Biblical framework for marriage. Even if you don't believe it, I hope you can see the merit in the principle and how much significance marriage has within that framework.

    Hope to see you on the new post and continue our discussion. Thanks for sticking with me.

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  4. I did read your whole post, not just the beginning. :)

    Allowing gays to marry shouldn't affect christians' marriages at all. I'm a hetrosexual married man with 2 kids. I live in Canada where gay marriage has been legal for a long time - and it hasn't affected me or my marriage ONE BIT!

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  5. Joe_Agnost. I thank you for reading the entire article. I also appreciate your position. I am not arguing for whether gay marriage affects you or I in our heterosexual marriage (US, Canada or any other place on the globe). If God exists, and if He has ordained what marriage is, then our attempted re-definition of marriage is an offense to Him. That is my point.

    That is also the only point that bears relevence in any of the discussions i've seen on a whole host of issues of this ilk. If governments, or majority opinions determine what is right or wrong then these things are simply defined (and re-defined) as different men/women come into power. You and I may choose to marry women, love our children, and act in a civil manner toward others. Others, however, may also be justified by law if they are passed to marry those of the same sex, abuse or terminate their children (if it is determined that any family may only reproduce once, for example), or enslave or manipulate others without justification.

    If man is the measure of all things, these ideas are purely arbitrary. If, however, God exists and has set forth an objective framework in which we ought to live, and that applies to everyone for all time, then if we do anything other than what has been prescribed by God we don't offend or transgress against one another, but against God Himself. I believe the latter to be true, and therefore the framework for marriage I presented to be the established pattern of a true marriage. It may be defined otherwise, and the attempted re-definition may never affect me personally, but it would remain an affront to God nonetheless.

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  6. I forgot to include an illustration. Once upon a time segregation was upheld by the supreme court in this country. Does that mean that it is right for color was a legitimate distinctive among citizens in the United States, up to the time when the decision was reversed? Or was it always wrong to discriminate against people based on their physical attributes? There were many white people, and painfully enough many white people who claimed to be Christians in the US who were not affected by segregation. That did not make the act right. It was always wrong, not because of the current laws on the books or because of the Constitution, but because God created every human being in the image and likeness of Himself, therefore all humans have intrinsict value and worth.

    That's a lot of words, but simply put someone will be in authority and define right and wrong for a society, either man or God. If God doesn't exist then we are bound and directed by whatever man or woman is in power, it may be Barack Obama, Ghandi or Mother Teresa. It also could be Mousalinni, Hitler or Stalin. I believe God is sovereign and is above the minds of men, so whomever is in charge there is a transcendent truth above the prevailing "laws of the land" that governs each of our lives individually.

    Sorry for the length, that reply turned out to be a lot longer than I had planned to begin with.

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  7. Your comment Jeremy reminds me of a term I've coined (as far as I know) I call "static thinking". What I mean by this is that we-meaning collectively as a society-live in our own time and see the world as static. We look back and arrogantly judge all of the mistakes made by our ancestors while failing to even consider that our descendants will do the same while holding us to their new set of standards of right and wrong. The static view does not allow for a history or a future that expands out of our own purview. It is hyper-subjective. The more we move away from the concept of seeking to learn and know objective truth, the more we have to rely on our own subjective inputs in figuring out what is right, and the more likely we become to getting it wrong.

    Joe said:

    Marriage would always require ~consent~ by those entering into the union. Unless a pet has some way of consenting I don't see this becoming an issue.

    While your reason 1 probably aligns with reality, i.e. it takes lots of money, time, and propaganda to bring about the kind of radical change that is SSM, probably lots more that PETA has, I'm thinking that the irony of your use of the word "always" in reason 2, given the radical change that is SSM, is lost on you.

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  8. Dan, do you feel that in my comments I was thinking statically with regards to segregation? I hope the comment didn't come across as me judging the hearts of the people alive and making decisions during the time. I was attempting to represent the presence of absolute truth and make a judgement about a situation in recent history for which we have some information.

    As long as there are people on this earth there will be people making mistakes. If we look critically at history and identify those mistakes as they deviate from the absolute truth there at least exists a possibility to keep from repeating those mistakes, or at least keep from repeating them in the same way. Is this the same thing you are saying or no?

    Thanks for your comment.

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  9. "Allowing gays to marry shouldn't affect christians' marriages at all."

    Unfortunately, that's not true at all. To allow gays to engage in the function that we call "marriage" requires a redefinition of "marriage". For all time in all cultures in all religions or lack thereof "marriage" has always been defined as the union of a man and a woman. There have, of course, been lots of variation in customs around that. Maybe there were multiple wives (polygamy) or maybe there were racial divisions and so on. No doubt. But in no place at no time has any culture ever defined marriage as "the union ... of whatever". The affect, then, is to radically alter the definition and, therefore, the function of marriage. Originally it was a function of building a society on a basic family structure for reproduction and perpetuation of the species. Very simplistic, I know, and more to it, but with the prior devaluation of marriage in rampant divorce and sexual relations outside marriage, this will just be one more nail in the coffin of what was once a valid and viable institution. I will still love my wife as much, to be sure, but my kids and my kids' kids won't know what "marriage" was supposed to be, and that will be awful for them.

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